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[ 12975 ] ... | 1622 | ... [GoD] Gods of Destruction :: 8 ... 16,4 :: 70,8%
2 [ 12840 ] ... | 1605 | ... [AsG] Asgard :: 6 ... 18,8 :: 65,7%
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[ 12438 ] ... | 1555 | ... [TgW] The Great Wall :: 8 ... 15 :: 49,2%
4 [ 12355 ] ... | 1544 | ... [Rw] Royalwidows :: 7 ... 16,6 :: 45,7%
5 [ 12167 ] ... | 1521 | ... [TDM] The Dark Masters :: 8 ... 18,3 :: 38%
[ 6768 ] | 1692 | ... Hazama , pit63 , L_Lawliet , KitKat :: 87,257%
[ 6658 ] | 1664 | ... Ragnj , Daroo , Storm , Staszek :: 81,762%
[ 6560 ] | 1640 | ... Tundar , Comet , cuckoo , Prime :: 75,827%
[ 6466 ] | 1617 | ... addiction , Rikkarudo , Macca , Fury :: 69,21%
[ 6427 ] | 1607 | ... playful , CandyGod , Mr-Tank , Supertribe :: 66,267%
[ 6207 ] | 1552 | ... Luke94 , Vlek , Kotaro , Phoenix :: 48,225%
[ 5877 ] | 1469 | ... carlos , mayan_warrior , Souleater , Legend :: 22,956%
[ 5740 ] | 1435 | ... Wicked , SemiShaman , SilverSurfer , Harikkerk :: 15,127%
Mix | 1875 | ... DT_ Keith52 :: -3,4 | 64 |( 1879 )| 99,998% 
Mix | 1837 | ... [AsG] Ragnj :: 1,4 | 61 |( 1856 )| 99,988%
Mix | 1751 | ... [TgW] Tundar :: -2,6 | 23 |( 1838 )| 99,661%
Mix | 1722 | ... [GoD] Hazama :: 19,5 | 24 |( 1749 )| 99,158%
Mix | 1713 | ... [Rw] addiction :: 3,5 | 30 |( 1713 )| 98,891%
Mix | 1685 | ... [TLL] Sneaky Dragon :: 7,6 | 43 |( 1688 )| 97,562% 
Mix | 1681 | ... [TDM] playful :: 5,6 | 21 |( 1696 )| 97,324%
Mix | 1516 | ... [AODX] 777 :: -25,3 | 6 |( 1542 )| 53,612%
Mix | 1501 | ... [PBS] Toni :: 13,7 | 5 |( 1516 )| 46,611% 
Mix | 1392 | ... [PL] grzybek1406 :: -9,4 | 7 |( 1487 )| 9,772%
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| Suleiman_DT Shaman   Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 5466 Location: Clinton, Indiana - USA |
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| TeratO Shaman  Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| Suleiman_DT Shaman Joined: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 5466 Location: Clinton, Indiana - USA |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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Pooleiman: "it's accurate to a certain extent, but it's not totally and completely accurate."
<-- Yes, there you are right when u add "yet" at the end. But i think you still didnt get the rest. I guess your also thinking a new system must be 150% accurat. You never will find that. And like i said many times before: the more games the more its skill ranking only. That state is not reached yet. ITs a mixture going more and more to skill. Once its spread it doesnt matter if a player reports me 5 games a week or 20 per day. Some ppl really seem to think the elo-system could sniff the rank by name and 10 games. I have 800 game reports overall - sounds really many. But if u consider that there are 200 players in list then it makes an average of only 4 game reports per player respectively 16 game results per player (if only 2v2s). And for such less data the tendency shown is really good. Imagine if it was automated: Lets say there are only round 100 regular finished games a day. Lets say it makes round 500 a week overall, which are suitable for rating. 1.5 weeks and the Elo-league is at the current standing. That much time? Only 10 more players who report 10 games a week each (rememeber they play 20 a day) makes 100 game reports makes 400 game results. Elo-table would already been spread. Do you think that is bothering? Reporting 1 game lets say every 2 days by 40 players? I think no. I always agreed - best would be automated, no doubts. I mean for me its not much work, when i get a game report i select the playernames in a list, put in a 1 for the winner, hit a key for calculating, hit a key for sorting, copy and paste the formatted table into forums - finished. Nobody is bothered to do anything. Its on them to put their "energy" in reporting games or not. PPl for example bother like hell posting in threads like "whos best player" etc. Thats much much more writing. (Or at clan tournaments: players have to report their games too - are they bothered to do?). Other ppl are just spoiled kids - they expect everything for nothing and then put all their energy only in complaining and critize everything when they dont get it blown up their cornholio. Maybe they never did any real work in their life. I wish admirals the best for his WCC - but i see it starts there the same way: all want everything for nothing. Admirals takes their suggestions - then they start complaining again etc. etc. Really hard to make something new for fun when ppl are so egofocused that nobody can satisfy them because they always feel threaten by a ghost that would deal them unfair. They just cant see a game as a game and a game is for fun. Logically ppl start having fear of a game loss, but not because of the loss, but because of the triumphating of the winner, because of beeing called a noob and a sucker after a loss. So they avoid a loss at any costs. And thats what in my opinion is the real reason for a few good players critizising every new ranking system - their fear of a loss, the fear of not beeing that highranked they supposed to be and especially the fear of beeing blamed for that - it's nothing more than an avoiding strategy. I have a different view on that and its very simple: A winner is nothing without the loser. So give honour to the loser. And something for you Suleiman personal (this is no offense): You support this ghost by yourself. Dividing the world into winners and loser, owners and suckers leads to nothing more but fight but never to anything productive. You see the ghost everywhere and especially behind me. You think im doing this for "eFame" (never heard that word before) and for giving me advantages at leagues or for "taking over the reigns" of popre or wtf else etc. Theres only one conclusion from this, because you're definetively wrong there: You own that way of thinking by yourself. (Thats way i say that "projection" things.) But the more you push ppl down the more you have to prove you're high - and thats endless. That creates pressure and fear and the ghost is growing. Why do you put your energy in a ghost? Hey - just put it to your website or just report me a game sometimes. 
To come back to the Elo-ranking: I view the elo-system as a tournament - a tourmnament that goes on permantly - a tournament without end. _________________ www.thepoohut.com - The Poo Hut TeratO> Pooleiman. Have you ever made a constructive post? Pooleiman_DT> dunno that word Pooleiman_DT> so you shopuld stop acting as if poohut was the world
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| FRODO_BAGGINZ_DT Firewarrior   Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 1453 Location: WarwickSHIRE, England |
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If xXx wins the monthly clan leagues, which we will, and this also means we have won more games than anyone else. So shouldn't we have a higher elo ranking? =/
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| [AsG]Sub Zero Shaman  Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 5263 Location: England |
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no.. it depends who you play
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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The monthly clan leagues count the points like the points league?
If you define the skill of a clan by its accumulated points then in the same way the whole community would have to admit that i'm the best player ever... looool. Accumulated points just show the activity of a player or clan and additionally the size of a clan. The bigger a clan is the better he is? More members means more games means more points. A 7 player clan with equally skilled players like a 30 members clan would have to play round 4 times as many games to gain the same points. xXx is one of the biggest clans by members (the biggest?). But is it the "biggest" in performance? Like Sub said: It depends who u play. And currently in the experiment (because its not spread yet) also on amount of wins or losses. And not all players in a clan are rated in the elo table. If i have no game results of a player i cant rate him. If you want to push xXx up: - report more games/wins - play other clans and win - get more of your clanmates to join and report too. 
like i said in previous thread: 5 more reporters, each reports 1 or 2 games a day and i have 20 to 40 player results more a day (if only 2v2). Makes round 100 to 200 results more per week. _________________ www.thepoohut.com - The Poo Hut TeratO> Pooleiman. Have you ever made a constructive post? Pooleiman_DT> dunno that word Pooleiman_DT> so you shopuld stop acting as if poohut was the world |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| [AsG]daroo Preacher   Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Posts: 895 Location: Poland |
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| [AsG]Ragnj Shaman Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Posts: 2032 Location: Langt, langt upp i kallar norden |
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Our goal in life have just been reached, lets end it all while were on top!
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| Prestige Shaman Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3318 |
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:58 am -
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and HUN clan in the 5th yea
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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! IMPORTANT UPDATE ! --- Change OF Factor K Due to the slow spreading of the elo-table in experiment i decided to use a new formula for the calculation of factor K. The new formula is the one used by the austrian chess federation. Now K is calculated independant from the number of games played and only depends on the difference of the players Elo to a high elo. That high Elo is 3400. equation: K = (3400-own Elo)^2 / 100000 effects: - much higher K factors at the current state of the league and therefore league is spread faster to real elos AND rank sorting of players is faster. - the maximum possible ELO is set to 3400 by the formula. - higher Elo oszillations in the lower Elo ranges when 2 players with same Elo play against each other. - to fit to the K formula the scaling Factors F(1v1) and F(2v2) are set back to the original values. F(1v1)=400; F(2v2)=200 The win expectations equation and the pointchange-calculation formula stay the same! So the player still are sorted relatively by their win/lossprobabilities! examples: A (Elo 1200) vs B (Elo 1200): Both have K= 48.4 - winner gains 24.2 points, loser lose 24.2 (up to now it was 12.5 if less than 30 games and 7.5 if more than 30 games) A (1500) vs B (1300), K(A)= 36.1, K(B)=44.1, - A WIN: pointchange A: +9 , B: -11 - B WIN: pointchange A: -27, B: +34 A(2200) vs B(1800), K(A)=14.4, K(B)=26 - A WIN: pointchange A: +1.3 , B: -2.3 - B WIN: pointchange A: -13.9 , B: +23 A (3100) vs B (1600), K(A)= 0.9, K(B)=32 - A WIN: pointchange A: 0.0 , B: 0 - B WIN: pointchange A: -0.9 , B: +32 So i think the new table sorting looks much more like expected and its more open for all players again now. New joiners can go up faster than before. Hehe - so now u can mix it up again! Gl Hf
Btw: The Elo table in forums section "Suggestions" looks much different now too. _________________ www.thepoohut.com - The Poo Hut TeratO> Pooleiman. Have you ever made a constructive post? Pooleiman_DT> dunno that word Pooleiman_DT> so you shopuld stop acting as if poohut was the world |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| Prestige Shaman Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 3318 |
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| [MD]Skylo Firewarrior  Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 1817 Location: Portugal |
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:26 pm -
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damn, i cant reach top again anymore =P
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| TeratO Shaman Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Posts: 2062 Location: The Poo Hut |
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| [MD]Skylo Firewarrior Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 1817 Location: Portugal |
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:00 pm -
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... well, damn, we going down in everything :/
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